HydroClean Truckmounts
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hogjowl
Idiot™
I don’t know anything about them except they’re electric. Which is all I need to know.
Bryce C
DFW
If it is powered by only 2x 15amp circuits I'd rather just use a portable like my Hydramaster PEX 500 with a 25 foot vac hose on it. Otherwise carry a lot of air movers as you'll be leaving carpets very wet.
Gtplayer
Member
All three pumps in the machine are powered by the van, as well as the coolant heat exchangers. (12 volt system) the three vacuum pumps are powered by 120 volts. That's why it can run on two 15 amp circuits.
The vacuums are designed in a V system which has never been before. This is why the vacuum is comparable to a class 2 slide-in.
At the price of $7995.00 it can be used as a backup or main machine.
The vacuums are designed in a V system which has never been before. This is why the vacuum is comparable to a class 2 slide-in.
At the price of $7995.00 it can be used as a backup or main machine.
hogjowl
Idiot™
Yeah, and VLM can replace a gas powered TM in residential too.
Bryce C
DFW
As an entrepreneur who has naturally been idealistic and loves going against the grain, who also struggled very much with previous business endeavors in light of those character traits... I strongly encourage you to go with what is tried and true. The vast majority of succesful cleaning operations use gas powered truckmounts. Unless you are targeting commercial, then OP machines may be a better bet.
Gtplayer
Member
I have probably been in business longer then 90% of you guys. 38 years and counting. We run 4-5 Hydramaster CDS's all of them are basically new. So that being said I understand equipment an I'm tired of repairs and a 4K monthly gas bill, especially in Washington. This machine saves me 70% of my fuel costs with basically the same performance. My guys are using two of them everyday. I guess I would know this since I designed it and built it!
Cheers..
Cheers..
hogjowl
Idiot™
Figured
Mikey P
Administrator
Will you be showing in Vegas/ Experience!
I personally would make up my mind what i really want/need before buying any thing. Do you want a truckmount or a portable? If you choose truckmount , buy a truckmount if you want electric buy a portable i personally haven't seen a decent electric truckmount since workmaster came out with one in the 80s back then it used a 3 stage electric vac for cfm and a tiny sutorbilt 2.0 blower for lift a cat 290 pump 800 psi a little giant heater for heat all built on a 20 gallon waste tank. And had retractable legs so could be used as a portable or left in the van but these things that need part of the van to run part of the machine and is permanently mounted makes no sense to me i thimk youll be buying a soon to be obsolete machine with no available parts buyer beware but thats just my opinion ask me again in 5 years what i think after they've been around longer than the payment plan if you finance one
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Just curious how you save 70% of fuel costs if the machine still runs off the van?
And if you are spending 4 grand a month on fuel I woukd assume you have a successful business model already.
What repairs will you avoid using this machine?
Yeah, he said the coolant heat exchanger heats the water. I think the van's engine has to be running to keep the water hot. Which, in turn, burns gas.
So is this machine really saving money?
He mentioned preheating 15 gallons to 140 degrees. I assume that's on the way to the job. Then he says it heats to 200.
He mentions 3 pumps running on 12 volts but also needs 2 cords to 2 15 amps outlets. Not sure if he is running a converter or needing 2 100 ft cords?
Bryce C
DFW
And it isn't good for an engine to idle at too low of an rpm, so to extend engine life you really need to throttle up a bit. Which means you're really not saving much in gas. Or you save in gas and drastically shorten your engine life.
Mikey P
Administrator
I see this unit as the TM the 5%'rs mature into.
Once we've achieved owner operator nirvana and no longer need rotary extractors, tile spinners and more than 200 ft of hose to clean less than fortunate situations, this machine gives us all we could need, plus tons of room left over for our Multi Surface tools, very low neighbor pissing off noise, easy to work on, a unreal price considering the revenue it will earn, plus, it looks as Pro as anything out there.
and who cares if your van sits idling, buy a new mini van every few years, you'll need the write offs.
Once we've achieved owner operator nirvana and no longer need rotary extractors, tile spinners and more than 200 ft of hose to clean less than fortunate situations, this machine gives us all we could need, plus tons of room left over for our Multi Surface tools, very low neighbor pissing off noise, easy to work on, a unreal price considering the revenue it will earn, plus, it looks as Pro as anything out there.
and who cares if your van sits idling, buy a new mini van every few years, you'll need the write offs.
Cleanworks
Moderator
Should have said that in the first place. Not really electric if you have to run the van to power it. Hydramaster has their xDrive that uses an electric drive system that powers a proper blower.
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or sucking up to a potential advertisers ??
hogjowl
Idiot™
He’s sucking up for sure
Mikey P
Administrator
I'd buy one in a heart beat once they prove they'll be around for a while.
Carnac the magnificent would say my money's on um not
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I'd be out of business a long, long time ago if I didn't keep an open mind.
I've discontinued one line of products we've had for nearly 30 years yesterday. I'm meeting with a new potential vendor on the equipment end today. Our world is changing faster than we know, and I try to avoid the "set in my ways old man" tendency that easily befalls us all.
Bane Clene had a very long run of success with an electric concept. Its end wasn't, in my view, because the idea didn't work. It was because they stayed, for the most part, with 1970s technology....maybe 1980s if I want to be generous.
We sold the Castex Cyclomatic and the Workmaster in the 80s. They were good, but not great, machines. I also looked at an existing electric truck mount. When powered properly, and if one could overlook the octopus of powercords, it performed surprisingly well.
But there were limitations and issues that made it unattractive to us.
I would like to see this unit in the field, what the set up and actual energy demands are like, before making any judgment.
Our industry is surely ready for some innovation and new ideas.
I've discontinued one line of products we've had for nearly 30 years yesterday. I'm meeting with a new potential vendor on the equipment end today. Our world is changing faster than we know, and I try to avoid the "set in my ways old man" tendency that easily befalls us all.
Bane Clene had a very long run of success with an electric concept. Its end wasn't, in my view, because the idea didn't work. It was because they stayed, for the most part, with 1970s technology....maybe 1980s if I want to be generous.
We sold the Castex Cyclomatic and the Workmaster in the 80s. They were good, but not great, machines. I also looked at an existing electric truck mount. When powered properly, and if one could overlook the octopus of powercords, it performed surprisingly well.
But there were limitations and issues that made it unattractive to us.
I would like to see this unit in the field, what the set up and actual energy demands are like, before making any judgment.
Our industry is surely ready for some innovation and new ideas.
Mikey P
Administrator
I talked to the owner/ designer at length yesterday, I'd suggest you give him a call
Hopefully we'll see the machine at the Experience and or Mikey's Fest, where we can use it too
Its not a filthy and unfortunate situation sort of machine, and at that price one could afford to let the unpleasant jobs go to the Dwayne's and Marty's of our industry.
( Not being mean, rather the guys who carry REs)
Bryce C
DFW
Why does a powerful machine need to be for unfortunate or filthy situations? I've only been using a powerful machine for a short time but it is already giving my customers, most of which do not live in filthy homes and are not in "unfortunate" situations, a much better experience with faster dry times, and shorter time periods we are working in their home. Not to mention that we are making more money per hour at each job, and can now do 1 extra job per day. Mostly all high end residential, my customers and I are reaping serious real world benefits from having a powerful machine...
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Mikey P
Administrator
I believe you're looking at this backwards, the machine in question will clean nice homes where people respect and take care of their floors at very low cost low noise low fuel consumption and at some point in your career it'll be all you need..
Electric truckmounts have been around as long as i have maybe longer but with only limited success bane clean workmaster. Even my beloved steamgeni had the electro geni but all faced the same downfall in my opinion. That downfall is physics. Now im not a big believer in the necessity for super large engines on slide-in machines. But the the fact is you physically can not get more power outa a machine than you can put in period. A single 15a outlet can only produce about 1.5 horsepower. Now to dumb it down a bit, ill explain ,electric horsepower is differant in the fact that it is around twice the power of gasoline horsepower when it comes to powering tools.Ill give you an example my shop has an electric 5hp air compressor it produces 19cfm@175psi now to produce the same amount of air with a gasoline engine would require a 10hp engine. So with that said 2-15a outlets is only capable of producing approximately the same power as a 6 horsepower gas engine so if i were to produce a 6hp truckmount and tout all its fuel savings how many do you think i can sell. The pressure pump on my machine alone requires 4.6 hp a roots 45 blower (mid size not a 47 like mine) powered by an electric motor would have to be at least 7.5hp@220v thats the physics of running carpet cleaners on electric as I see it. You physically cannot put enough power in it to get the power outa it , at least not with a power cord. When a company like tesla comes up with a machine ill give it more than a passing glance but till then if it has a cord its an underpowered portable and if it permanently mounted in a van its been rendered that much more useless in my book. Im not the carpet cleaner that shows up to a job and tells the customer sorry your carpet isn't clean enough for me to clean with my equipment. Its just not in my DNA
Unfortunately where i live if i only did the "good" jobs id be outa business in a month. In a large metropolitan area you might have the luxury of being able to pick n chose which carpets you do but us country bumkins don't have that luxury. We have to show and play the cards delt. The good,the bad, and yes even the ugly.
hogjowl
Idiot™
I venture to guess that there are no markets in America that can guarantee you that you’ll be asked to clean only “nice” homes with clean carpet. I’ve seen Mikey comment on a few dirty situations over the years. Why limit yourself in what you can clean, unless this business is just a hobby to you?
Having just said that, I’m thinking the actual cleaning side actually IS just a hobby for Mikey now.
Having just said that, I’m thinking the actual cleaning side actually IS just a hobby for Mikey now.
Bryce C
DFW
Dwain, what is this thing?
My secret weapon! Is wha sets me apart from others. It is an antique by manys standards. But really it is a steamgeni 16" 4 jet weighted drag wand. I.prespray then clean every carpet with a rotary extractor using emulsifier. When finished i switch to a rinse and completely rinse n dry using this. Rotary gets carpet completely clean and relatively dry. Following up with the drag wand gets the carpet residue free and very dry
I once met a guy at a seminar that charged back in the 90s a dollar per sqft they showed up in those white disposable hasmat suits and i guess put on quite a show. And had an extremely wealthy clientele. Of course they would've had to be. My thought back then and still is it just goes to show you really don't have to be very smart to be rich!so there's still hope for me
